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Post by k2w3 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:04 pm

As per Steve's auto parking lot photo...

Something I've always wanted to know...

Do stores get a discount on the signage/font/style of the names over their stores, cos it seems to me where ever you go in the USA, shops almost always share the same signage styles.

Even many restaurants use similar. Maybe it's strip mall land owners' requirements but for crying out loud, the same owner can't own all strip malls throughout the country?
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Post by rider5 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:20 pm

I have to admit I have no idea what you're talking about.

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Post by eric84 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:24 pm

Well, there aren't many big signage stores so that may explain the sameness. Plus, street mall leases may have conditions about the signage that demands uniformity.
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Post by DCComic » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:27 pm

Lots of different fonts, but individual letters mounted on the wall to make words seem very popular.
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Not so many signs where the letters are on a background.
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Post by cowtown » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:44 pm

It’s controlled by the landlord and written into the lease as to what is allowed, they like uniform looks and don't want to get into sign arm-war
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Post by Stan In Maryland » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:47 pm

I see both but if I were to guess the individual letter signs are just more "modern". I think it is a matter of style. Certainly within a strip mall or shopping center there are probably defined standards and I am sure chain stores have "standard styles". Also some zoning laws require certain signage standards.
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Post by k2w3 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:51 pm

OK, yeah I get all those reasons. It just seems odd to apply country-wide, to such a large country, in towns big & small.
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Post by Stan In Maryland » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:54 pm

Like I say I think it may reflect changing styles more than anything. But I am not an expert on signage.
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Post by Homerj » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:58 pm

At one point in time I had considered buying a few of those payday loan franchises (didn't like the numbers after due dilligence) but as those are almost always in strip malls I remember how tight the zoning laws were over things like signage.
So i Think Stan is right, a lot of jurisdictions just copy each others zoning by-laws
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Post by korgy » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:59 pm

several different topics here --

regarding large franchises, those companies have their branding done on large scale, and of course they will have more individualistic looking logos

as per more mom-n-pop franchises, yes, local sign companies would rather re-use the same systems, graphics and pieces that have already been developed -- it's easier and costs them less time and material. when i was a teenager, i worked for a sign company -- they would do things like buy up all the regional signs for a grocery franchise that went out of business, and refit them for local stores. for example, the A & P supermakerket chain had these colonial columns built into their signage -- the sign business would turn these into furniture store signs after the A & P's folded.

then, on a similar topic, there are areas where local town councils, community boards, whatever, have instituted laws so that signage does not interfere with the environment -- Taos New mexico, for instance, and parts of teh Hamptons. (i dont think that is what you meant , but it is related)
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From this outsider's opinion looking in, all I can say is that on one hand it breeds familiarity, so you feel in the same place where ever you travel, but it removes a lot of character too. It's a minor thing, but is just something I notice, weirdly or otherwise.
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Post by korgy » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:36 pm

i see what you mean -- yes, mass-produced signage does eliminate the character of an environment. my third point above is how some areas ( a very few) have dealt with this -- in Taos, New Mexico, for example, there are strict laws so that signage does not overshadow the original adobe-style village. too bad more places have not done this. but, you know, FREEDOM!!!
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Post by BulletPark » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:41 pm

Having seen the streetscape in New Zealand, which makes Las Vegas look like the Hancock Shaker Community in terms of signage, I can't say I'm much arsed.

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Post by korgy » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:43 pm

which makes Las Vegas look like the Hancock Shaker Community
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Post by cowtown » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:05 pm

BulletPark wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:41 pm
Having seen the streetscape in New Zealand, which makes Las Vegas look like the Hancock Shaker Community in terms of signage, I can't say I'm much arsed.
why are town names being linked to hotel websites?

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Post by korgy » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:34 pm

that is strange -- it's a Tripadvisor hotel search site. i dont think BP would have linked to that if he wanted to show what Vegas looks like
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Post by korgy » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:35 pm

for fuck's sake -- now my own Tr*padv*sor word was hyperlinked!

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Post by Logg » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:51 pm

k2w3 wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:07 pm
From this outsider's opinion looking in, all I can say is that on one hand it breeds familiarity, so you feel in the same place where ever you travel, but it removes a lot of character too. It's a minor thing, but is just something I notice, weirdly or otherwise.
That's exactly right. The creation of the interstate highway system came about at the same time that the concept of franchising really took off in America. The idea of recreating sameness along the routes as people became more mobile was a winning business model.

Unsurprisingly. people now crave examples of true regionality in food and such. And I think this is probably why so many people love taking pictures of and documenting Mid-Century Modern signs, neon or otherwise, that are still in existence.

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Post by madmonday » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:52 pm

Homerj wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:58 pm
At one point in time I had considered buying a few of those payday loan franchises (didn't like the numbers after due dilligence) but as those are almost always in strip malls I remember how tight the zoning laws were over things like signage.
So i Think Stan is right, a lot of jurisdictions just copy each others zoning by-laws
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Post by Homerj » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:58 pm

madmonday wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:52 pm
Homerj wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:58 pm
At one point in time I had considered buying a few of those payday loan franchises (didn't like the numbers after due dilligence) but as those are almost always in strip malls I remember how tight the zoning laws were over things like signage.
So i Think Stan is right, a lot of jurisdictions just copy each others zoning by-laws
Payday loans what a parasitic industry....
It also turned out to be a surprisingly shitty investment opportunity.
Default rates are very high, as is staff turn-over.
Turns out a majority of folks who own them do so not for profit but because it's an easy place to hide/shuffle money (which is laudable) but from an overall profitability standpoint I wasn't impressed.
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Post by BulletPark » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:25 pm

korgy wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:35 pm
for fuck's sake -- now my own Tr*padv*sor word was hyperlinked!

WTF?!
Yeah, some of my other posts have links in them too.

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Post by BulletPark » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:52 pm

Man you wouldn't believe how ugly the rent boys are in Las Vegas.

Like that?

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