Rashid Khalidi / Fascinating piece.

[dave.bt]

For those with the time to watch, and with an interest in the Palestinian / Israeli conflict, this is a fascinating piece to watch. There is no need for me to agree with everything he says, to find the piece illuminating.

http://fora.tv/2006/10/25/Rashid_Khalidi_Iron_Cage

[CatScanMan]

Just ordered his book, thanks.

[polardude1]

i'll look at when I have time

[queenrania]

I did listen to his garbage. Even if he thinks very smart he is not. He is an apologist for the Palestinian Arab actions. That's all.

[dave.bt]

I did listen to his garbage. Even if he thinks very smart he is not. He is an apologist for the Palestinian Arab actions. That's all.

which actions did you hear him apologising for and in which section?

[queenrania]

I did listen to his garbage. Even if he thinks very smart he is not. He is an apologist for the Palestinian Arab actions. That's all.

which actions did you hear him apologising for and in which section?

He is constantly blaming the "stronger" parties in the conflict while apologizing for their inability to come to a consensus. He made fun of Israel's "generous" offer, etc. Arabs don't make offers. They tale over Lebanons or Kuwaits whenever they feel like it. The Palestinian Arabs are not dumb. They just not like Jews. They dont want to accept 95% of anything. They want 100% of what they want. They want the area to be under their control from the Eastern border of Jordan to the coast.

[queenrania]

He has that attitude that they are weak. etc and need to be treated differently, etc.

I would have asked him a question, if one factors in the terrorist actions for the last 120 years what other people in the history of this mankind would have so many opportunities to create a second Palestinian state as if Jordan which is 75% Palestinian Arab is not enough? Why are the Palestinian Arabs being treated like no other people in this world?

The difference between Jews and Arabs is that Jews see the the other people like people but Arabs see them differently. For that very reason the foreign workers in Kuwait, Gulf states are highly mistreated, the Kurds were sprayed with chemicals and the black Africans exterminated in the 10000s.

[queenrania]

Your title is sickening. There is nothing fascinating about another Palestinian Arab propagandist even is he is a smooth American born propagandist. They are all alike. The only difference is their presentation.

[dave.bt]

Isn't it odd how different people can view the same thing and understand completely different angles from it. What fascinated me, was his overall willingless to seek understanding of events, despite possible needing to break palestinian myths in the process.

Yes, the guy is hardly going to be a zionist supporter, nor do I need him to be, however he brings several interesting angles to the discussion including his reasoning behind the lack of palestinian revisionists. More palestinian supporters like him, and less jewish ones like you and we might be onto something.

[queenrania]

Isn't it odd how different people can view the same thing and understand completely different angles from it. What fascinated me, was his overall willingless to seek understanding of events, despite possible needing to break palestinian myths in the process.

Yes, the guy is hardly going to be a zionist supporter, nor do I need him to be, however he brings several interesting angles to the discussion including his reasoning behind the lack of palestinian revisionists. More palestinian supporters like him, and less jewish ones like you and we might be onto something.

You people are stupid all the way down to the core. You don't have the common sense. You see a smooth talker and you fall for it. First of all, he is an American. For him the ME is a hobby or at best an intellectual obsession. In addition, he translated his obsession into the money making machine. His involvement in the ME is giving him an opportunity to meet the powerful political elite. He loves that stuff. Also, I am more than sure that he thinks that anything he does to hurt Israel is done for a good cause to memorialize his ancestry. You can put your own spin on everything. As complicated as the ME region is there is nothing special about the players who are involved in the ME chess game. The Arabs are rejecting the sophisticated, hard-working, intellectual and very democratic Jews in a sovereign entity right in the midst of the Arab world. That is the essence of it. They have tried to wipe it off but since they cannot they are interested in leaving that job for the future generations. Their current interest is to shrink Israel in size by whatever means possible. Their ultimate objective is to replace the Jewish sovereignty for the Arab one where the Jews work hard and move them forward. The ME dispute has nothing to do with Palestinian Arabs or land. It has everything to do with the Arab pride in general, their perception of Islam as superior to any other religion, tenacity, bringing the Jews down, submitting the infidels, etc.

[queenrania]

It is pretty shocking how naive the Jews are regarding the anti-Semitic bastards. As soon as Obama came to power Shmalidi flew to Israel. He probably expected something treacherous as his intentions have always been to hurt Israel. He was ignored and treated like a piece of sh-t that nobody wanted to touch. I bet he was disappointed.

[dave.bt]

You people are stupid all the way down to the core..

you people? Careful, you are beginning to sound like Mali.

You see a smooth talker and you fall for it.

yes, I have clearly indicated I believe everything he says. This part, from my first post "There is no need for me to agree with everything he says, to find the piece illuminating." obviously says that quite clearly

First of all, he is an American.

so, we are to hold the fact that he is not in Palestine against him? They didn't all run away you know, many where pushed. Do you want all the Palestinians in Palestine or not? If yes, then accept the consequences, if not, then stop complaining when you find them in places such as America.

For him the ME is a hobby or at best an intellectual obsession. In addition, he translated his obsession into the money making machine. His involvement in the ME is giving him an opportunity to meet the powerful political elite. He loves that stuff.

yawn.

Also, I am more than sure that he thinks that anything he does to hurt Israel is done for a good cause to memorialize his ancestry.

And this is wrong because?

As complicated as the ME region is there is nothing special about the players who are involved in the ME chess game. The Arabs are rejecting the sophisticated, hard-working, intellectual and very democratic Jews in a sovereign entity right in the midst of the Arab world. That is the essence of it.

Ok, lets say you are right. And this means that we are the tiny victim state in a sea of more powerful enemies? Hardly, we find ourselves as we did in 1948 amongst a group of states unable to get their act together, and with little desire for the machinations of government. This mainly is the Palestinian problem, and it is why we were able to win in 48 to the level we did. Pretending there is some master plan we need to be scared of is simply nonsensical seeing as the arab nations are more divided than the jews are.

They have tried to wipe it off but since they cannot they are interested in leaving that job for the future generations.

Pretty good reason for trying to broker a deal - don't you think? Or do you believe that continuing with the occupation doesn't foster extremism and terrorism?

Their current interest is to shrink Israel in size by whatever means possible.

That is so 1900's. The idea of hundreds of thousands of armed arabs streaming down the Golan, in some kind of replay from the Zulu wars, has no meaning in todays world. Israel is the size it is, the borders have been drawn, we know what will be inside and outside the state, there qill be no suprises and no one can make Israel shrink. Tulkarm is not part of Israel, nor is gaza.

Their ultimate objective is to replace the Jewish sovereignty for the Arab one where the Jews work hard and move them forward.

I didn't win the lottery last night. It is unfortunate, but my objective didn't come off. That I only put 2 minutes of thought and £2 of cash into it, does in some way offset the fact I didn't succeed. What the arabs want for themselves is none of my concern. I do hope they choose for peace and democracy and progress, but in the end it is their decision how much time and effort and money they place into the objectives of their choosing. As and where it inteferes with Israels peace and security, Israel will deal with it. At no point EVER does it warrant holding another people captive for generations.

If you catch a wild tiger in your garden. It will kill you if you let it go SO You have every right to hold it there for ever. But the palestinians are no tiger. They cannot and do not pose any existential threat whatsoever. There is no reason beyond showing them who is boss to continue with the current position. After 80 years they still do not have a fully functioning government apparatus, we had one in 10, it is time for us to stop stunting their growth.

The ME dispute has nothing to do with Palestinian Arabs or land.

Oh perlleease. How can you be so stupid? How can you possibly claim the Palestinians are fighting for the syrians or the egyptians or the lebanese? Isn't it just possible the Palestinians are upset because of what has happened to them?

their perception of Islam as superior to any other religion, tenacity, bringing the Jews down, submitting the infidels, etc

My neighbours probably (wrongly) think they are superior to me, I assure you it doesn't stop me sleeping at night. Let them think what they like.

[queenrania]

Yeah, you people, you beilinists, you the haaretz readers, you, the followers of Gideon Levy and Amira Haas, you...you people are dumb and very, very naive. You people, cause a problem only to solve it later when it is difficult to solve. You think that you can find a partner among the adversaries to talk to? Ha..fat chance. They are not interested in a third Palestinian state (Jordan is #1 and Hamastan is #2). They want the whole area to be theirs from Jordan to the sea. They want to submit the Jews. That would make them feel and be the most superior Arabs in the Arab world. That is their objective and the Israeli left is helping them with that undertaking.

You should remember something fundamental. The Jews are self-destructive. They always fight other Jews. They find a way to smear other Jews. Take a look at Polar. He wished a disease on me. Even the enemies like unknown or studdle/shmuddle did not act so venomously as polar. However, it is not about garbage like Polar it is about you who tend to cater to the enemies.

If you want to know how Arabs would treat Jews take a look how they treat each other let alone the Kurds. Abraham severed his relationship with Ismael for a reason. You have learned nothing from our history. I am not religious but I have great admiration and respect for Judaism. You people, do not. You have learned nothing from the annihilation of Jews in Medina Arabia. Nothing! Yeah, sign a worthless piece of paper with the enemies and hope for the best. They will go to the toilet with that piece of paper and you will suffer the consequences.

[queenrania]

You the Ashkenazis make me sick. I should have been born Sephardic. They are not as dumb as you are. They know who they are dealing with. You dont. They lived with them for 1000s of years. They know.

[dave.bt]

Yeah, you people, you beilinists, you the haaretz readers, you, the followers of Gideon Levy and Amira Haas,

wow you missed me by a clear mile. Haaretz, Levy and Haas....me? This semi illusional face that has been created so that some people and publications can make money through being lauded by anti-israeli groups are of no interest to me. My source of information remains hebrew, and the writers I follow, remain zionists, and in the main don't get translated everyday to be misquoted on palestinian sites.

you...you people are dumb and very, very naive. You people, cause a problem only to solve it later when it is difficult to solve. You think that you can find a partner among the adversaries to talk to? Ha..fat chance. They are not interested in a third Palestinian state (Jordan is #1 and Hamastan is #2). They want the whole area to be theirs from Jordan to the sea. They want to submit the Jews. That would make them feel and be the most superior Arabs in the Arab world. That is their objective and the Israeli left is helping them with that undertaking.

yawn. I have no intention of getting involved in a jordan is palestine argument which is a throwback to the days shamir sat with his arms folded claiming the Palestinians didn't exist. It sends me to sleep and is based in naive nonsense. Two states, one for us, one for them. Not so difficult to work out when you apply yourself.

You should remember something fundamental. The Jews are self-destructive. They always fight other Jews. They find a way to smear other Jews. Take a look at Polar. He wished a disease on me. Even the enemies like unknown or studdle/shmuddle did not act so venomously as polar. However, it is not about garbage like Polar it is about you who tend to cater to the enemies.

Polar is a zionist, a moderate and a true friend of Israel. you don't know shit.

If you want to know how Arabs would treat Jews take a look how they treat each other let alone the Kurds. Abraham severed his relationship with Ismael for a reason. You have learned nothing from our history.

I have learnt the Palestinians are not going to disaapear and I do not want continual occupation on my concience. We only have one option that can possibly solve the crisis, and it involves attempting the two state solution. Everything else is nonsensical.

[queenrania]

I have learnt the Palestinians are not going to disaapear and I do not want continual occupation on my concience

Oh...boy...do you feel guilty? How about an appointment with a good Jewish therapist? You are a lot dumber than I thought you are. The enemes are playing the backgammon, socializing, make babies, drink your water, eat your food, use your electricity, get the medical care at the best Israeli hospitals and still fire missiles on Sderot and Ashkelon trying to murder more Jews. Yet, you feel guilty. What is it about the Ashkenazim that makes them so weird?

Apparently, Gaza/Hamastan in the South is not enough for you. Apparently, Hezbollastan in the North is not enough for you either? You want the terrorist entity of Fatahstan to start firing rockets from the East.

Be careful what you wish. You might get it.

[dave.bt]

I have learnt the Palestinians are not going to disaapear and I do not want continual occupation on my concience

Oh...boy...do you feel guilty? How about an appointment with a good Jewish therapist? You are a lot dumber than I thought you are. The enemes are playing the backgammon, socializing, make babies, drink your water, eat your food, use your electricity, get the medical care at the best Israeli hospitals and still fire missiles on Sderot and Ashkelon trying to murder more Jews. Yet, you feel guilty. What is it about the Ashkenazim that makes them so weird?

That is not even worthy of a response. If you insist on trolling, at least try.

Apparently, Gaza/Hamastan in the South is not enough for you. Apparently, Hezbollastan in the North is not enough for you either? You want the terrorist entity of Fatahstan to start firing rockets from the East..

I cannot choose my neghbours. It is that simple. We are no longer facing an existential threat from the arabs, the requirements of the 1960's are behind us, there is no longer any need to procrastinate. I understand the desire to get the best deal possible, but this cannot be used as an excuse which the extreme right hide behind to further pickle the situation.

[queenrania]

Ha...why don't you get a stuffed doll that looks like Abbas and pretend that it is your partner because that is the best you can do with them and the best you will do with them? Remember, the Palestinian Arab leadership will find every possible excuse to stay away from the direct negotiations. Shmabbas mamzer will procrastinate until September. Than he will say that since Israel resumed construction he could not come to the table. Why don't you people understand they dont want to sign a deal with Israel unless they get not 95% of what they want but 100%? Personally, I am not even sure that 100% will be enough. Nothing will ever be enough unless they replace the Jewish sovereignty with an Arab one where the Jews world and they play backgammon while getting the welfare checks.

........telling you that Israel supplies Hamastan with water, electricity, food, medical care, etc is not trolling. It is the truth. It is happening right now. It is happening right in front of your nose while the Hamastani terrorists try to cause havoc in Ashkelon with the longer range missiles. Do you know what will happen next? Do you think that the rehov Sheinkin tea/coffee society is immune from the Hamas missiles? They are constantly improving their terrorist capabilities. What a great success the Israeli transfer of Gaza to the thugs and terrorist was! Let's do the same in Judea and Samaria! Give them more land and opportunities to fire at Israel. I can only imagine the pain Arik Sharon experienced when he went into a coma. He obviously knew what to expect from them.

Actually, I am more moderate than you. I am just against your illusion. Your "peace" is based on some fantasies that if you give them what they want they will love you. Yeah right!

[dave.bt]

Ha...why don't you get a stuffed doll that looks like Abbas and pretend that it is your partner because that is the best you can do with them and the best you will do with them? Remember, the Palestinian Arab leadership will find every possible excuse to stay away from the direct negotiations. Shmabbas mamzer will procrastinate until September. Than he will say that since Israel resumed construction he could not come to the table. Why don't you people understand they dont want to sign a deal with Israel unless they get not 95% of what they want but 100%? Personally, I am not even sure that 100% will be enough. Nothing will ever be enough unless they replace the Jewish sovereignty with an Arab one where the Jews world and they play backgammon while getting the welfare checks.

Why are you so joyful when you condemn my children and my childrens children to further generations of bloodshed. The way you tell it, bloodshed is a given, at least my way lies the possibility, however remote that it will all stop.

telling you that Israel supplies Hamastan with water, electricity, food, medical care, etc is not trolling. It is the truth. It is happening right now. It is happening right in front of your nose while the Hamastani terrorists try to cause havoc in Ashkelon with the longer range missiles. Do you know what will happen next? Do you think that the rehov Sheinkin tea/coffee society is immune from the Hamas missiles? They are constantly improving their terrorist capabilities. What a great success the Israeli transfer of Gaza to the thugs and terrorist was! Let's do the same in Judea and Samaria! Give them more land and opportunities to fire at Israel. I can only imagine the pain Arik Sharon experienced when he went into a coma. He obviously knew what to expect from them.

What terrorists say, do and think is of no concern of mine. If they try to attack we should destroy them. Our concern is to try to ensure that there are less of them at the source, that is deal with the Palestinians fairly, hamas recruitment figures will drop.

Actually, I am more moderate than you. I am just against your illusion

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Name a single policy where your politics is more moderate than mine

Your "peace" is based on some fantasies that if you give them what they want they will love you. Yeah right

My peace is based on understanding the Palestinians are humans and deserve respect, and Israeli actions have not always been carried out with the intention of playing fair. It is of no concern to me whether the Palestinians love us or not, only that we do not occupy them and trample on their rights.

[unknown]

My peace is based on understanding the Palestinians are humans and deserve respect, and Israeli actions have not always been carried out with the intention of playing fair. It is of no concern to me whether the Palestinians love us or not, only that we do not occupy them and trample on their rights.

Well said. But action speaks louder than words. I have heard many Israeli politicians say they want peace, but their actions runs contrary to those words.

Fir instance, settlement activities. Need I say more?

[dave.bt]

My peace is based on understanding the Palestinians are humans and deserve respect, and Israeli actions have not always been carried out with the intention of playing fair. It is of no concern to me whether the Palestinians love us or not, only that we do not occupy them and trample on their rights.

Well said. But action speaks louder than words. I have heard many Israeli politicians say they want peace, but their actions runs contrary to those words.

For instance, settlement activities. Need I say more?

That is because some Israeli politicians are not offering enough to the Palestinians to enable the Palestinians to sell the deal to their population. They are still hiding behind some pathetic myth that the Palestinians pose an existential threat to the state. Then too there is a political situation that allows for the minority parties to place their own interests in front of the interests of the majority. In truth though, the future of the settlements has already been decided, and whilst it makes a lot of noise in the media and amongst the people, settlement activity in 2010 has little real effect on what will occur when the deal is signed.

[unknown]

My peace is based on understanding the Palestinians are humans and deserve respect, and Israeli actions have not always been carried out with the intention of playing fair. It is of no concern to me whether the Palestinians love us or not, only that we do not occupy them and trample on their rights.

Well said. But action speaks louder than words. I have heard many Israeli politicians say they want peace, but their actions runs contrary to those words.

For instance, settlement activities. Need I say more?

That is because some Israeli politicians are not offering enough to the Palestinians to enable the Palestinians to sell the deal to their population. They are still hiding behind some pathetic myth that the Palestinians pose an existential threat to the state. Then too there is a political situation that allows for the minority parties to place their own interests in front of the interests of the majority. In truth though, the future of the settlements has already been decided, and whilst it makes a lot of noise in the media and amongst the people, settlement activity in 2010 has little real effect on what will occur when the deal is signed.

Fuck me, I'm going to lie down. I am largely in agreement with you. Three times in a week. Too much. Way too much. Soon you will be called a self hating jew.

But wrt settlement activity, it spreads mistrust and hate. Regardless of what has been decided, the general population are unaware of this 'fact'. Settlements should stop and stop now. It serves no peaceful purpose.

[queenrania]

Why are you so joyful when you condemn my children and my childrens children to further generations of bloodshed. The way you tell it, bloodshed is a given, at least my way lies the possibility, however remote that it will all stop.

What terrorists say, do and think is of no concern of mine. If they try to attack we should destroy them. Our concern is to try to ensure that there are less of them at the source, that is deal with the Palestinians fairly, hamas recruitment figures will drop.

Name a single policy where your politics is more moderate than mine

My peace is based on understanding the Palestinians are humans and deserve respect, and Israeli actions have not always been carried out with the intention of playing fair. It is of no concern to me whether the Palestinians love us or not, only that we do not occupy them and trample on their rights.

Oh..you crazy delirious Jews. You think that your humanity will reach the enemies? HAHAHAHA...the enemy is vile and poisonous. You cannot change the enemy just as you cannot change the serial murderers. Take a look how the Arabs treat other Arabs. That is you answer. Unfortunately, your kids, your grandkids and all your descendents will be stuck with the adversaries. That is the Jewish destiny. Wether we like it or not we are stuck with those who want us dead. We will never be able to let our guard down. Never. The Jewish life is not meant to be easy.

[queenrania]

Fuck me, I'm going to lie down. I am largely in agreement with you. Three times in a week. Too much. Way too much. Soon you will be called a self hating jew..

You are a dumb piece of shit. I may disagree with dave's approach but my objective is not any different from his. I too want peace. I too want Dave's kids live in a country free from terrorism and fear. However, unlike Dave, I am not a dreamer. I know your kind, I know that you support and represent the bacterial infection which is virulent and dangerous. The only remedy for your kind is to bleach the infection out.

[queenrania]

That is because some Israeli politicians are not offering enough to the Palestinians to enable the Palestinians to sell the deal to their population. They are still hiding behind some pathetic myth that the Palestinians pose an existential threat to the state. Then too there is a political situation that allows for the minority parties to place their own interests in front of the interests of the majority. In truth though, the future of the settlements has already been decided, and whilst it makes a lot of noise in the media and amongst the people, settlement activity in 2010 has little real effect on what will occur when the deal is signed.

Yeah..give the enemies Israel. They will accept nothing short of the total sell-out.

You are not just crazy but very crazy.

[dave.bt]

Fuck me, I'm going to lie down. I am largely in agreement with you. Three times in a week. Too much. Way too much. Soon you will be called a self hating jew.

lol. Wouldn't be the first time. Still, I am very much the zionist.

But with settlement activity, it spreads mistrust and hate. Regardless of what has been decided, the general population are unaware of this 'fact'. Settlements should stop and stop now. It serves no peaceful purpose.

Difficult to agree with this, because the tension resulting from settlement activity is symptomatic of two sides at conflict. The cause of the tension is not the activity itself but the conflict. Lets take a settlement town on a piece of land near Jerusalem that the Palestinians are aware they will be seeking compensatory land elsewhere for. Now that town, like any town is a living town, it needs growth, investment and renewal if it is to prosper. Restricting settlement activity negates this, which is unrealistic in the circumstances. This is not to give approval for settlement activity as a whole, merely to point out that when discussing settlements, not all things are not equal.

[dave.bt]

Oh..you crazy delirious Jews. You think that your humanity will reach the enemies? HAHAHAHA...the enemy is vile and poisonous. You cannot change the enemy just as you cannot change the serial murderers. Take a look how the Arabs treat other Arabs. That is you answer. Unfortunately, your kids, your grandkids and all your descendents will be stuck with the adversaries. That is the Jewish destiny. Wether we like it or not we are stuck with those who want us dead. We will never be able to let our guard down. Never. The Jewish life is not meant to be easy.

Still waiting to hear you name a single policy where your politics is more moderate than mine

[queenrania]

I am a lot more moderate than you because my direction will produce results and untimately peace. May be not a permanent peace (nothing is forever) but at least a semi-permanent peace. Do you how Japan acted in the past? Take a look at Japan now which happens to be one of the closest American allies.

Your policies create confusion. It sends a message to the enemies that terrorism pays and can be rewarded. It also sends a message to the enemies that the Israeli blood is cheap. It seands a message to the enemies that Jews would agree to everything and anything the adversary wants to have reconciliation. It sends a message to the enemies that provocations will not be answered.

Unfortunately for the Jews the Middle East is not Micronesia. You give them a finger they take your body. In the Middle East there no concept of a win-win situation. I win you lose. You win I am a sucker and a loser. These are the parameters they live by. That is our reality. It is too bad that you dont get it.

[unknown]

Fuck me, I'm going to lie down. I am largely in agreement with you. Three times in a week. Too much. Way too much. Soon you will be called a self hating jew.

lol. Wouldn't be the first time. Still, I am very much the zionist.

But with settlement activity, it spreads mistrust and hate. Regardless of what has been decided, the general population are unaware of this 'fact'. Settlements should stop and stop now. It serves no peaceful purpose.

Difficult to agree with this, because the tension resulting from settlement activity is symptomatic of two sides at conflict. The cause of the tension is not the activity itself but the conflict. Lets take a settlement town on a piece of land near Jerusalem that the Palestinians are aware they will be seeking compensatory land elsewhere for. Now that town, like any town is a living town, it needs growth, investment and renewal if it is to prosper. Restricting settlement activity negates this, which is unrealistic in the circumstances. This is not to give approval for settlement activity as a whole, merely to point out that when discussing settlements, not all things are not equal.

You paint a scenario which is at odds with reality. All reports say that the settlements (which have increased dramitically since oslo) is a major stumbling block to peace. You cant just impose unwanted people into a piece of land which belongs to someone else (polar shut up about never been an independant palestine as that is very irrelevant) and expect trust, let alone peace. Settlements are wrong, illegal and an obstacle to peace.

Evicting palestinians to replace them with jews is not only illegal but racist and immoral. People like queenie support that because they are nasty VD riddles bitches.

[queenrania]

You paint a scenario which is at odds with reality. All reports say that the settlements (which have increased dramitically since oslo) is a major stumbling block to peace. You cant just impose unwanted people into a piece of land which belongs to someone else (polar shut up about never been an independant palestine as that is very irrelevant) and expect trust, let alone peace. Settlements are wrong, illegal and an obstacle to peace.

Evicting palestinians to replace them with jews is not only illegal but racist and immoral. People like queenie support that because they are nasty VD riddles bitches.

That is the whole point IT IS NOT THEIR LAND. IT HAS NEVER BEEN THEIR LAND AND HOPEFULLY WILL NEVER BE THEIR LAND. They are squatting on the Jewish land courtesy of the Jewish leftists like Dave and the stinking Polar. The Jewish land of Israel will expunge the enemies because they do not belong there. They will always be miserable on that land because it is not theirs.

[unknown]

Queenie, there is hope for you. I will be praying for you. Please, for your own sake, embrace Jesus.

[queenrania]

Queenie, there is hope for you. I will be praying for you. Please, for your own sake, embrace Jesus.

There is also hope for you. May Jesus help you grab it.

[unknown]

Queenie, there is hope for you. I will be praying for you. Please, for your own sake, embrace Jesus.

There is also hope for you. May Jesus help you grab it.

Kumbaya my lord kumbaya etc etc etc........

What a friend we have in Jesus.....etc

[queenrania]

Yes...I agree. He is your friend and he wants to see you NOW!

[unknown]

Yes...I agree. He is your friend and he wants to see you NOW!

He is with me every moment of every day. He is a loving God. Embrace Him and feel His love my dear. Tell your rabbi. You wont have to wear that darn wig anymore also.

[queenrania]

My rabbi would want you to see Jesus too and he would want to see you NOW!

[unknown]

My rabbi would want you to see Jesus too and he would want to see you NOW!

That is why he is not a christian. He is a vengeful and hateful man. Tell him to embrace jesus also. He will then know LOVE.

[queenrania]

My rabbi would want you to see Jesus too and he would want to see you NOW!

That is why he is not a christian. He is a vengeful and hateful man. Tell him to embrace jesus also. He will then know LOVE.

Baby, you need Jesus now. He wants you. You want him. It is match made in h........

Happy trails to you.....

[unknown]

My rabbi would want you to see Jesus too and he would want to see you NOW!

That is why he is not a christian. He is a vengeful and hateful man. Tell him to embrace jesus also. He will then know LOVE.

Baby, you need Jesus now. He wants you. You want him. It is match made in h........

Happy trails to you.....

Baby, may your god forgive you for wishing for the death of another person. I forgive you because I believe in a loving God. Peace be upon you my sister. Embrace Jesus.

[queenrania]

Ohh...boy...look who is still here. What's the matter? Ohh..well..Jesus will take you. He knows you want to be with him NOW!

[unknown]

Ohh...boy...look who is still here. What's the matter? Ohh..well..Jesus will take you. He knows you want to be with him NOW!

My dear, I am still here. Praise be to Jesus. He can save your sorry ass and your STI self. Seek His eternal help and be saved.

[queenrania]

Ohh...boy...look who is still here. What's the matter? Ohh..well..Jesus will take you. He knows you want to be with him NOW!

My dear, I am still here. Praise be to Jesus. He can save your sorry ass and your STI self. Seek His eternal help and be saved.

Is your car running ok?

[unknown]

Ohh...boy...look who is still here. What's the matter? Ohh..well..Jesus will take you. He knows you want to be with him NOW!

My dear, I am still here. Praise be to Jesus. He can save your sorry ass and your STI self. Seek His eternal help and be saved.

Is your car running ok?

Running briliantly thanks.

[dave.bt]

You paint a scenario which is at odds with reality. All reports say that the settlements (which have increased dramitically since oslo) is a major stumbling block to peace. You cant just impose unwanted people into a piece of land which belongs to someone else ( and expect trust, let alone peace. Settlements are wrong, illegal and an obstacle to peace..

I agree they are viewed this way, and understand why the Palestinians are so totally frustrated by the continued building. These things that we are dealing with, such as settlement activity 40 years on, or 3rd generation refugees, are simply absurdities out of time. That this conflict is still ongoing 63 years after partition throws up several anomalies that are hard to swallow. Opposition to continued growth in a settlement that will remain in Israel proper is one of those anomalies. A boy born in Lebanon to parents who were also born in Lebanon yet who has no citzenship is another.

Evicting palestinians to replace them with jews is not only illegal but racist and immoral.

I agree with that. Hard not to.

People like queenie support that because they are nasty VD riddles bitches.

And with that.

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You paint a scenario which is at odds with reality. All reports say that the settlements (which have increased dramitically since oslo) is a major stumbling block to peace. You cant just impose unwanted people into a piece of land which belongs to someone else ( and expect trust, let alone peace. Settlements are wrong, illegal and an obstacle to peace..

I agree they are viewed this way, and understand why the Palestinians are so totally frustrated by the continued building. These things that we are dealing with, such as settlement activity 40 years on, or 3rd generation refugees, are simply absurdities out of time. That this conflict is still ongoing 63 years after partition throws up several anomalies that are hard to swallow. Opposition to continued growth in a settlement that will remain in Israel proper is one of those anomalies. A boy born in Lebanon to parents who were also born in Lebanon yet who has no citzenship is another.

Evicting palestinians to replace them with jews is not only illegal but racist and immoral.

I agree with that. Hard not to.

People like queenie support that because they are nasty VD riddles bitches.

And with that.

Good grief. A sane voice amongst the madness.

I'll start doing drugs soon

Polar, read and learn and dont be so partisan all the time. There is wrong on both sides. The sooner people acknowledge that simple fact, the better.

terrorism does not always happen in a vacuum. And no it is not always justified. But when people are pushed far enough, they will react. It is the act of desperate.

To say that because Palis are not starving Ethiopia stylie, so they are better than them is being vile and bigoted.