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Re: The big hockey game

Postby eric84 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:02 pm

Volleyball, primarily played by girls in the USA


Really? I thought it was played by both girls and boys in more or less equal numbers. Pretty big collegiate sport.
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Re: The big hockey game

Postby joeyramone » Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:08 pm

eric84 wrote:
Volleyball, primarily played by girls in the USA


Really? I thought it was played by both girls and boys in more or less equal numbers. Pretty big collegiate sport.


Nope, mostly a girl's sport, though it's not girly and is played by many boys.

Girls don't have football, after all. in the NCAA, women play volleyball in the fall, men play in the spring.

note also that the women's final four has 64 diviosn I volleyball schools participate; they don't even have 64 D I volleyball schools on the men's side.
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Re: The big hockey game

Postby mrpenney » Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:37 pm

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eric84 wrote:
Volleyball, primarily played by girls in the USA


Really? I thought it was played by both girls and boys in more or less equal numbers. Pretty big collegiate sport.


Nope, mostly a girl's sport, though it's not girly and is played by many boys.

Girls don't have football, after all. in the NCAA, women play volleyball in the fall, men play in the spring.

note also that the women's final four has 64 diviosn I volleyball schools participate; they don't even have 64 D I volleyball schools on the men's side.


That's probably an artifact of Title IX. If you run football--a men's-only sport--you need a women's sport to balance it out if you want to stay on the right side of the law. Having a men's volleyball team, unless you're in California where that's actually a big thing, whacks out the Title IX math.

(Honestly, I expect that's also the only reason why there's any field hockey in the USA at all--they needed a girl's sport to balance out wrestling and/or football.)

But legalities aside, yes, there are plenty of men who play volleyball. To a first order of approximation, everyone in America plays volleyball--at the annual company picnic if no other time.

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Re: The big hockey game

Postby ToyTone » Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:08 am

"Many countries have extensive club competitions for junior and senior players. Despite the large number of participants—hockey is thought to be the field team sport with the second largest number of participants worldwide (the first being association football)


thanks for confirming my point - second largest number of participants worldwide- they play organized in leagues I assume....
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Re: The big hockey game

Postby mrpenney » Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:59 am

ToyTone wrote: they play organized in leagues I assume....


Yeah, and so do the cricket players in the United States--who, if you don't understand the point, consist almost entirely of a few thousand Indian and Pakistani expats, gathering after their jobs at the parking lots and convenience stores in their nearly nonexistent spare time.

Similarly, the baseball players in the UK have an extensive league system, complete with promotion, relegation, and everything. It doesn't prove that they actually get paid to play, or that their country gives a rat's ass about the sport.

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Re: The big hockey game

Postby joeyramone » Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:27 am

ToyTone wrote:
"Many countries have extensive club competitions for junior and senior players. Despite the large number of participants—hockey is thought to be the field team sport with the second largest number of participants worldwide (the first being association football)


thanks for confirming my point - second largest number of participants worldwide- they play organized in leagues I assume....



no dummy, it says "field team sport".

Basketball and volleyball aren't played on fields.
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Re: The big hockey game

Postby ToyTone » Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:29 am

yes, field team sport, great, thanks!
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Re: The big hockey game

Postby joeyramone » Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:31 am

ToyTone wrote:yes, field team sport, great, thanks!



This is the kind of field team sport dieter normally thinks of...

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Re: The big hockey game

Postby tph24601 » Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:49 am

ToyTone wrote:
"Many countries have extensive club competitions for junior and senior players. Despite the large number of participants—hockey is thought to be the field team sport with the second largest number of participants worldwide (the first being association football)


thanks for confirming my point - second largest number of participants worldwide- they play organized in leagues I assume....

except the very next sentence you "forgot" to quote completely confirm the very opposite of your original point, which was:

ToyTone wrote:I guess world wide field hockey has more spectators and pull than ice hockey....


for the selective memory of mr master race....

club hockey is not a large spectator sport and few players play as full-time professionals. "


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Re: The big hockey game

Postby ToyTone » Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:23 am

club hockey is not a large spectator sport and few players play as full-time professionals


with all those many games in all those leagues..... even few spectators per game sum up to more spectators than those who see ice hockey... on a world wide level.

in my home town in chermany for example there are, dunno, 4 or 5 hockey fields used by different clubs and lots of teams on all levels with games going on, but there is not one single ice hockey stadium and no ice hockey club.... I guess the same is true for thousands of cities world wide...
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Re: The big hockey game

Postby tph24601 » Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:30 am

ToyTone wrote:
club hockey is not a large spectator sport and few players play as full-time professionals


with all those many games in all those leagues..... even few spectators per game sum up to more spectators than those who see ice hockey... on a world wide level.

other than the fact that the source specifically said it's not a large spectator sport, but hey, who give a shit about facts, huh?

and nobody gives a fuck about leagues for kids or office workers, it's the professional leagues that matter when we talk about spectators, those caring about the sports enought to pay and watch, not the parents watching their jr. high girls playing soccer or field hockey

as I said, outside a small league in India, I can't think of any other country having professional field hockey league
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Re: The big hockey game

Postby mrpenney » Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:31 pm

ToyTone wrote:
club hockey is not a large spectator sport and few players play as full-time professionals


with all those many games in all those leagues..... even few spectators per game sum up to more spectators than those who see ice hockey... on a world wide level.


The total annual attendance for the ice hockey leagues listed here is about 63 million. They don't list any field hockey leagues at all--though they do list leagues for exciting sports like bandy and pesäpallo.

in my home town in chermany for example there are, dunno, 4 or 5 hockey fields used by different clubs and lots of teams on all levels with games going on, but there is not one single ice hockey stadium and no ice hockey club.... I guess the same is true for thousands of cities world wide...


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Re: The big hockey game

Postby tph24601 » Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:57 pm

The plural of anecdote is not data.

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Re: The big hockey game

Postby thoughtpolice » Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:50 pm

The largest field sport in the world is walking.
The only people out of some six billion in the world who have not walked in a field are kids under one year and assorted gimps.
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Re: The big hockey game

Postby mrpenney » Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:46 pm

One more thing...

ToyTone wrote:in my home town in chermany for example there are, dunno, 4 or 5 hockey fields used by different clubs and lots of teams on all levels with games going on, but there is not one single ice hockey stadium and no ice hockey club


If you were looking for ice hockey in Germany but didn't find it, you can't have been looking very hard.

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Re: The big hockey game

Postby ToyTone » Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:54 am

if you were looking for ice hockey in Germany but didn't find it, you can't have been looking very hard.


not in my hometown ...
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Re: The big hockey game

Postby patrik » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:25 am

Fuck me,,,, you can find ice hockey teams in Australia....doesnt mean anyone is interested in the shit.
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Re: The big hockey game

Postby patrik » Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:18 am

Australia just beat the Netherlands.


Now its Germany in the final. Australia will be looking for revenge having been beaten by germany in their last two encounters
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Re: The big hockey game

Postby ToyTone » Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:45 am

and to answer bandrapissboy's question: yes Canada can win a hockey game in this tournament...

they did win against Pakistan 3-2 to avoid the last place in this tournament...
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Re: The big hockey game

Postby harry_flashman » Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:13 pm

Will a German win make up for the inevitable failure of Germans teams in the upcoming champions league games?
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Re: The big hockey game

Postby thoughtpolice » Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:28 pm

and to answer bandrapissboy's question: yes Canada can win a hockey game in this tournament...

glad you guys are keeping track of our team, there aren't more than about 4 people here who give a shit either way
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Re: The big hockey game

Postby ToyTone » Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:49 am

harry_flashman wrote:Will a German win make up for the inevitable failure of Germans teams in the upcoming champions league games?


.... or as you wrote
Liberals should be gassed


http://www.politicalstew.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=84531&p=1610057&hilit=gassed#p1610057
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Re: The big hockey game

Postby patrik » Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:45 pm

Australia 2 - Germany 1

Personally, I wouldnt have minded Australia losing to Germany. I does get boring being the winner all the time.
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Re: The big hockey game

Postby ToyTone » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:07 am

congratulation Australia! well done!

I said it before - it is not good if one team wins all the time and so good that Germany did not win this time.
The second place is good in my book.

here some read about how the crowd supported my team...

http://sify.com/news/german-hockey-players-win-hearts-despite-world-cup-loss-news-national-kdnw4bfhiei.html

German hockey players win hearts despite World Cup loss

Australia won the Hockey World Cup, but it was the young German team which won the hearts of the Indian fans by taking a lap around the packed stadium with a huge banner thanking the crowd for their support.

'Thank you for the support. We appreciate your efforts,' read the banner which was greeted with thunderous roars from the nearly-packed Major Dhyan Chand National Stadium.

The German act came moments after the Australian team completed the victory lap to celebrate their second Cup title that came after a 24-year gap.

The crowd, which included some Germans, had stood firmly behind the runners-up cheering their every move.

In fact, even the German players were surprised by the overwhelming support as it even surpassed the backing they get at home.

'It was a surprise to us that we got such huge support here in India. We don't see such support even back home. In the 2006 finals when we played Australia at Mongchengladbach, there were 12,000 people in the stands. There was a good support for the home team. But we usually don't see such crowd back home,' young striker Florian Fuchs told IANS.

German captain Maximilian Muller said they wanted to show their heartfelt appreciation to crowd for their support through the tournament.

'We talked about it two days ago. The handful of German supporters and the Indian fans cheered for us throughout the tournament. So we came up with this idea to show our appreciation with a banner.'

'In fact, the fans here were right behind us in this match and helped us to draw level. They constantly egged us for every move and it was a motivating factor,' said Muller.

'It has been a wonderful stay for the entire team in India. We loved the place, the fans and their love for hockey.'


thank you India for that great tournament!
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Re: The big hockey game

Postby harry_flashman » Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:46 pm

ToyTone wrote:
harry_flashman wrote:Will a German win make up for the inevitable failure of Germans teams in the upcoming champions league games?


.... or as you wrote
Liberals should be gassed


http://www.politicalstew.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=84531&p=1610057&hilit=gassed#p1610057


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