Bob Herbert Slams Obama

[Lou]

Herbert is a Liberal. Black as the ace of freakin' spades. He cites Obama for being a royal out of touch fuck up of tragic proportions.

“The Obama administration and Democrats in general are in trouble because they are not urgently and effectively addressing the issue that most Americans want them to: the frightening economic insecurity that has put a chokehold on millions of American families. . . . Instead of focusing with unwavering intensity on this increasingly tragic situation, making it their top domestic priority, President Obama and the Democrats on Capitol Hill have spent astonishing amounts of time and energy, and most of their political capital, on an obsessive quest to pass a health care bill.”

[judik]

Fancy that, a dem who is not like the Bushbots
It's OK to criticize in the dem party

[Lou]

Fancy that, a dem who is not like the Bushbots
It's OK to criticize in the dem party

When a liberal is cornered they always say "bush". It's a talisman for them.

Freak.

Republicans were the only real critics of Bush, and they gave it to him big time.

Liberals never criticized him at all. That's like saying a mad dog barking at the moon was criticizing the moon.

[ZOBBEL]

When a liberal is cornered they always say "bush". It's a talisman for them.

That's true!!

[foolsprogress]

“The Obama administration and Democrats in general are in trouble because they are not urgently and effectively addressing the issue that most Americans want them to: the frightening economic insecurity that has put a chokehold on millions of American families. . . . Instead of focusing with unwavering intensity on this increasingly tragic situation, making it their top domestic priority, President Obama and the Democrats on Capitol Hill have spent astonishing amounts of time and energy, and most of their political capital, on an obsessive quest to pass a health care bill.”

I tend to agree. I don't think his quest is necessarily "obsessive." For all that's been invested in this battle of health care, he can't just drop it because of a few setbacks. That said, he did choose the wrong time to fight this particular fight for the reasons Herbert notes. And the longer it drags out, the more apparent that becomes. It has struck me odd right from the beginning that, in the midst of all the economic turmoil, he would try to introduce a big, new, tax and spend Democrat program.

[Lou]

I tend to agree. I don't think his quest is necessarily "obsessive." For all that's been invested in this battle of health care, he can't just drop it because of a few setbacks. That said, he did choose the wrong time to fight this particular fight for the reasons Herbert notes. And the longer it drags out, the more apparent that becomes. It has struck me odd right from the beginning that, in the midst of all the economic turmoil, he would try to introduce a big, new, tax and spend Democrat program.

1. Obama didn't do any work. He farmed the whole thing out. He's the puppet used to sell the thing and dance like a good negro when it's time for dancing.

2. Even Pelosi and Reid did no work on this - unless bribery is now called work. They haven't even read this 2000+ paghe bill. The entire project was farmed out years ago to....who exactly? No curiosity on the part of MSM. We may never know.

3. You thinki he is wrong because he chose the wrong "time" to fight. He is wrong on substance, not timing. He picked the best time to fight, and if he wins it will all be because of the timing. This never even gets to first base a year earlier or a year later. This is its only shot, and its for everything.

4. It strikes you as "odd". He means to do what he is doing. The goal is to destroy America. He is overloading the system, giving us bills we can never ever pay, in the hope that it all crashes and burns and the Commies take full control. That's his end game. He overplayed his hand a bit, but he still holds the cards.

America needs a miralce noiw to stop this monster, and believe me I am saying my prayers. If he wins, life will never ever be the same again for you, me or anyone.

[Lou]

It's like Global Warming: When the truth is told; the Leftos run away. They can't stand it. They won't touch it. It hurts them.

There's no money, opportunity for totalitarianism, or abusive control when there is truth - and that doens't fit the lefty agenda at all!

[AnnieOakley]

You're not Lou. The Real Lou doesn't need exclamation marks.
Begone, imposter.

[Lou]

You're not Lou. The Real Lou doesn't need exclamation marks.
Begone, imposter.

You've gotten more high and less coherent in the time I was gone. And also more obsessive and paranoid.

How long has it been since you were able to hold down a job?

[foolsprogress]

The goal is to destroy America. He is overloading the system, giving us bills we can never ever pay, in the hope that it all crashes and burns and the Commies take full control. That's his end game.

It's stuff like this that makes it pointless to talk to you.

If you actually believe the President's goal is to destroy America, you are nuts, in the same league with truthers and other tin foil hat types. There is no reasoning with such people. IF OTOH this is some kind of hyperbolic rhetoric, you are coming off like an an angry adolescent, also not worth trying to reason with since your interest is more in drama than discussion. Even angry righties can be reasonable people. You should try it sometime. People might take you more seriously.

[Lou]

The goal is to destroy America. He is overloading the system, giving us bills we can never ever pay, in the hope that it all crashes and burns and the Commies take full control. That's his end game.

It's stuff like this that makes it pointless to talk to you.

If you actually believe the President's goal is to destroy America, you are nuts, in the same league with truthers and other tin foil hat types. There is no reasoning with such people. IF OTOH this is some kind of hyperbolic rhetoric, you are coming off like an an angry adolescent, also not worth trying to reason with since your interest is more in drama than discussion. Even angry righties can be reasonable people. You should try it sometime. People might take you more seriously.

You've all got it set up as one great avoidance mechanism. You have several pat defenses to deploy so that you never have to allow yourselves to hear the truth.

It's all very sad.

As usual, you actually are living in the crazy world; you actually are the adolescent who 'doesn't want to hear it'.

Have you ever slowed down and read what you people talk about and sound like when there are NO conservatives around? You want adolescent? The Deer Hunting for Jesus thread is prototypical of you lot.

The only ones who don't see your puerility and insanity are you.

[foolsprogress]

You've all got it set up as one great avoidance mechanism. You have several pat defenses to deploy so that you never have to allow yourselves to hear the truth.

No, what I just said to you is fairly unique. While I know and debate with many from both ends of the political spectrum, I very rarely meet somebody a off-the-wall nuts as you, so there is no reason to have pat defenses at the ready. To say that the President is trying to destroy the country is just plain stupid and unworthy of address by reasonable people from either the right or left. You are not in the left field or the right field. You have left the stadium.

Have you ever slowed down and read what you people talk about and sound like when there are NO conservatives around?

You're not conservative, or even on the far right. You're just nuts.

[Lou]

You've all got it set up as one great avoidance mechanism. You have several pat defenses to deploy so that you never have to allow yourselves to hear the truth.

No, what I just said to you is fairly unique. While I know and debate with many from both ends of the political spectrum, I very rarely meet somebody a off-the-wall nuts as you, so there is no reason to have pat defenses at the ready. To say that the President is trying to destroy the country is just plain stupid and unworthy of address by reasonable people from either the right or left. You are not in the left field or the right field. You have left the stadium.

Have you ever slowed down and read what you people talk about and sound like when there are NO conservatives around?

You're not conservative, or even on the far right. You're just nuts.

You're stark raving. I don't know why I bother.

To say the President is not trying to destroy the country is true 44/45 times. Not this time.

The evidence is mounting and mounting. Look at the harm he has done (immense) compared to the good he has done (none).

The President of the United States runs a car company. He has personally set the salaries and compensations for several executives. He has put us in an absolutely unsustainable debt situation for decades - ie he has knowingly bankrupted the nation he leads. He is currently attempting to socialize medical treatment which makes everything 10X worse.

At every turn he has done things that were unthinkable for 235 years - until last week, or month, or a few months that is. It's daily.

But I'm the one whose nuts. This is all somehow 'normal'. Happens all the time with Presidents.

You've no evidence for that, and you never give any.

In fact, I've put it out there several times in the last two months: Why don't you people ever actually defend Obama? Why aren't you people there going line by line through his programs and plans and detailing why they are good, why you like him, etc., etc.

This is NEVER done by you guys.

That is so fucking nuts it''s unreal - given the slavish adoration you send his way.

And again, you call me nuts for stating obvious facts.

[foolsprogress]

To say the President is not trying to destroy the country is true 44/45 times.

No. It's never true. It ranks in there with holocaust denial, the Illuminati and claims that Bush perpetrated 911. It falls outside the bounds of rational discourse and anybody who claims to believe it paints himself as some brand of nut and taints anything else he may have to say. If you are a troll, you have spoiled it with this insane talk. If you are real, you've lost the plot. Seek help.

[Lou]

To say the President is not trying to destroy the country is true 44/45 times.

No. It's never true. It ranks in there with holocaust denial, the Illuminati and claims that Bush perpetrated 911. It falls outside the bounds of rational discourse and anybody who claims to believe it paints himself as some brand of nut and taints anything else he may have to say. If you are a troll, you have spoiled it with this insane talk. If you are real, you've lost the plot. Seek help.

No. It does not. You offer no evidence for that. I've named several reason already. Add to that his history that we know about. He was never a friend of America. He has been hugely critical of America.

My assertion has a great deal of evidence for it. You don't have any; and you don't give any.

All you have is typical liberal non-argument: arguementum ad slander and assocaition with a known nut case situation.

That means: a) you don't have an argument or you would make it; b) you're probably afraid I'm right; c) you're a peurile liberal who never really learned how to discuss anything except with people who agree with you.

[foolsprogress]

No. It does not. You offer no evidence for that. I've named several reason already. Add to that his history that we know about. He was never a friend of America. He has been hugely critical of America.

My assertion has a great deal of evidence for it. You don't have any; and you don't give any.

So does Holocaust Denial. And I would not attempt to engage a Holocaust denier either. Giving reasons why there was no Holocaust says nothing about the existence of the holocaust but reams about the person doing the reason giving. It is a patently absurd position to be rejected out of hand. The President of the United States is not trying to destroy the country.